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molotov
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Topic: Svchost.exe crashing randomly - Need expert help!Posted: 27 May 2008 at 3:08pm |
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Process Monitor shouldn't impact the process in the same fashion - it's not a debugger. It does have an impact on the system however (as would any similar tool / software)...
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Jackcolt
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Posted: 28 May 2008 at 12:54am |
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Okay.
I'm gonna have it running for some weeks then. If nothing happens, or I can't get anything useful from it, I'll try out my AVI theory by tranferring the files I have under "suspicion" to my laptop. Should reveal if it truely is the cause of it. Edited by Jackcolt - 28 May 2008 at 12:54am |
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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 9:49am |
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Okay... hasn't happened again on my brothers computer. I've also stopped ProcMon as it hasn't happened in a long time.
I've also thought about the possibility that my brother might not actually have copied the file to his computer, but having to render the thumbnail(or something similar) while browsing the folder over the network, eventually lead it to crashing. Good thing is though, I can limit the amount of AVI which could have caused it, by comparing creation date(which haven't been altered from formating, as it's on a seperate hard drive) with my idea of when it started. So I've tried to clean out a bit, seen if it doesn't happen anymore. If it does, I'll try to test them out with my laptop. |
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Jackcolt
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 3:24pm |
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Sigh... I don't know anymore.
Just happened again after around 9 days of no errors. I check my AVI files for last time accessed and none of the were around the error. Strange thing was that one a couple of them had been accessed a couple of hours earlier. So I've deleted those... hopefully that will help. Anyways, I'm kinda worried that it might be something totally different that is causing it. But for some reason it just doesn't happen when I run those monitoring tools. Any ideas why that might be? I also thought about contacting Microsoft, but I thought I'd ask you first, whether you knew if they would even be able to help me with this. I mean, if their support guys could figure out what thread is doing, would they even want to tell me? |
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molotov
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 7:02pm |
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It's possible Microsoft is aware of an issue of this nature, and may have a hotfix or some such.
I didn't mention this, but at some point after we started working on this, I decided that this problem was "interesting" enough to try a "test". I posted a description of the problem and some of my analysis and thoughts at DumpAnalysis.org. Dmitry suggested several things along the lines of things that I had already suggested. But his first statement was:
So, it would seem that contacting Microsoft may be an appropriate approach at this point, if you're inclined to do so. Edited by molotov - 20 June 2008 at 7:02pm |
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Posted: 21 June 2008 at 4:00am |
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Would seem like a Heisenbug, but as you also said before(as far as I recall...can't be bothered to check :P), ProcMon isn't affecting the system like an attached debugger would.
But I'll try to contact MS now... hopefully they can shed some light on the issue. The thing is, I don't think they have a hotfix, but I think they know some uses of that particular thread, and perhaps come up with some suggestions what might have caused that null pointer exception. Also, thanks for the quick reply |
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Posted: 22 June 2008 at 1:03pm |
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Haha... this is just getting ridiculous.
I was on my laptop today... and guess what? It happened on it while my desktop was shutdown. The laptop doesn't have any files or in common with my desktop... so this pretty much rules out my whole crazy theory about avi files(the crash dump was identical btw) Funny though. It happened almost a second or two after I connected to the wireless(which sometimes jumps off in my room)... so I'm starting to think it's network related. Which in fact would also make more sense, given that the -netsvcs has a lot of network related services. Anyways, let's see what MS has to say about it. I sure as hell hope they don't just send to one of the their hotfixes(which I've already tried) EDIT: Tried updating to SP3 while waiting for a reply EDIT2: SP3 didn't fix it. Edited by Jackcolt - 25 June 2008 at 4:45pm |
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Posted: 06 July 2008 at 3:57am |
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I think I've nailed it!
The last couple of times it happened, I noticed that a certain computer would have recently been started(or at least on), which made me wonder if the problem had anything to do with that computer. The strange thing about the computer, was that it had some strange network behavoir... I couldn't access it from my own computer, and if it was the only computer in a certain workgroup, I couldn't even access that workgroup. So I decided to have a look at it. It turns out, that if I disabled the Comodo Firewall, I wouldn't have any troubles access the computer or the workgroup. So the Firewall must be blocking packets incomming from my computer - but since Comodo is bloaded with advanced features and settings, I thought that it may not be all packets that were blocked. Now, I don't know how the networking is handled on the application layer in Windows XP, but maybe the firewall didn't block certain packets which was used to "make contact", but others which was needed to give my computer certain information, is blocked, thus passing on null in the call stack. That's my theory :P - At least it's a lot more plausible that the whole AVI thing. So what I've done is remove Comodo and install another Firewall, which caused no issues with accessing computers or workgroups on the network. It hasn't happened since(which is around 2 weeks). Also, if it happens again, I could start using packet analyzers like Wireshark to see if it's network related(which it has to be - as stated, it also happened on my laptop and my brothers computer) Anyways, I'm confident that the problem is solved. A VEEEEEEERY big thanks to you molotov, for helping me out through these couple of months. You've also helped me learn some debugging techniques, so this error seen in retrospec hasn't all been bad(even though I've cursed numerous times :P). It's awesome to see other people who are willing to share their knowledge without any elitist behavior or anything. So once more, thanks a bunch! ![]() I'll consider the problem solved. If it returns I'll be sure to post again :P |
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Posted: 06 July 2008 at 8:52am |
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When all were connected to the same network?
Thank you for the kind words.
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Jackcolt
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Posted: 06 July 2008 at 1:59pm |
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Yeah it's on the same network - It's our home network which consists of 3 workgroups
Exactly... it's incredible that my computer can have a process crashed by another computer. I'm lucky this is a home network, where it's very easy to see computer activity. Imagine a worker in a company with thousands of computers on their network having this issue - Good luck I say :P. Of course, now that I know(at least I think) what the issue is, solution to such a situation wouldn't be too difficult. Also, I just looked back some of the previous posts in this thread. Just noticed this: "First-chance exception at 0x7c812a5b (kernel32.dll) in svchost.exe: 0x000006BA: The RPC server is unavailable. First-chance exception at 0x7c812a5b (kernel32.dll) in svchost.exe: 0x000006BA: The RPC server is unavailable." That "The RPC server is unavailable" is basically when the application using RPC can't reach the server. I've seen this before when trying to run various network commands(like a remote shutdown), which then is blocked. That could have been an indication of remote method calls being blocked. Of course it might be something else . It's just an observation. |
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